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Wednesday, March 25, 2009

Tongue-in-cheek quote about Mark Driscoll

From the Irish Calvinist.
"Sure you may not like the fact that he watches ultimate fighting and says ‘dude’ while wearing jeans during a sermon, but maybe he is troubled by your stamp collection and pleated pants."

posted by Joey at 3/25/2009 02:30:00 PM

8 Comments:

Blogger ron declared,

So what's wrong with stamp collecting and pleated pants?

I like Driscoll, but there seems to be a growing group of people more impressed with sounding cool, wearing stone washed jeans and guys fighting than whether or not a person is living a righteous life.

3/25/2009 7:45 PM  
Blogger Joey declared,

Nothing is wrong with pleated pants and stamp collecting. Nothing is wrong with stone-washed jeans either though.

And that's the point. Substance over style. My pastor wears a suit and tie and I don't. What he wears isn't concerning to me though; what he preaches is.

3/25/2009 8:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous declared,

Amen Joey.

3/25/2009 9:43 PM  
Blogger ron declared,

Joey, of course you are right. Although I would suggest some strange arrogance coming from many who connect with Driscoll and the hipness he represents. As in "we're cool and you'd better be fine with that".

It's hard to pin down, but when Irish Calvinist pokes fun at the stamp collecting pleated pants guy I don't think it's as innocent as some would argue. In a nutshell the hip style may have more weight than he and many others dare admit (not accusing you of this, but it's just a general observation)

3/25/2009 10:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous declared,

In the same vein there is a ton of condemnation out there pointed at Driscoll and those like him because they are "hip" and not pleated pants wearing guys. I think we would all be wise to examine our hearts before speaking. Arrogance out of our hearts and mouths does not build the body of Christ. So I agree that there may be arrogance coming out of Irish Calvinist's heart when he posts this comment, but on the other side of the issue I also see arrogance in saying "we are so not cool and totally not of the world". Let us all listen for the preachers preaching the gospel of Christ crucified and praise God for them whether they wear a suit and tie, pleated pants, or stone washed jeans in the pulpit.

3/26/2009 7:26 AM  
Blogger ron declared,

Mitch, you've got it right. To be sure we all have a certain style, and if not careful can have a identity pride that is not based on Christ whether hip or nerd.

I'm just pointing out that I've almost sensed a snideness with the hip crowd that they may be unaware of; and I think the quote that Joey posted represents a lot of people and isn't as innocent as some would think.

I like Driscolla and Irish Calvinist, and I've read a lot from each of them, but the reality is they have forged a strong identity with their external style. I think some of the warnings sent their way are out of love and legitimate concern. That's all.

3/26/2009 8:00 AM  
Blogger Joey declared,

I think you've got a great point Ron and it's certainly something that I have to be careful of, because I've crossed the line in my condemnation of the pleated-pants crowd. It's hypocritical and we need guys like you to call us out. I think the hipsters also often wrongly assume that anyone in pleated pants believes pleated pants is the only way to go. (I tend to be a khaki and button-up guy myself :) )

I hope Irish Calvinist's quote was meant to make a point using a bit of light-hearted sarcasm rather than seriously intended. I haven't read much of Irish Calvinist and only stumbled across that post when reading about the Mark Driscoll-Phil Johnson fiasco.

Judging by Driscoll's relationship with men like John Piper, I doubt he's very troubled by pleated pants.

3/26/2009 8:51 AM  
Blogger Keithslady declared,

I just want to tell you how refreshing it is to hear men going around about pleated pants and stone washed jeans instead of women in skirts or pants. And I like the fact that the issue has come around to why you do what you do and how you look at/treat/think about others who do something differently.

3/30/2009 7:45 AM  

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